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I found a 1993 Grand Cherokee with 137k miles on it to use as a donor for a 4.0l i6 Motor and an AW4 4-speed automatic transmission. The Cherokee had front end issues and a horrible replaced hood and bumps and scratches, but a strong motor and Transmission. and for $750, it was a steal!
My CJ-7 and the donor Cherokee are now in the capable hands of Boston Bob (with Aaron close by for any assistance that may be needed) The Motor and tranny swap will start taking place this Monday perhaps, so if anyone wants to get an idea of how it is done, feel free to contact Boston Bob and maybe timing can make it so.
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* Day one. Monday evening 6-7-10 - After getting Bobs T-case back in and his son finishing up a new shock, we got those vehicles out of Bob's shop and winched in the CJ-7.
Winch off, Grill off, various bolts un bolted, various wires unplugged or cut, various glitches conquered, and the motor is ready to be pulled. 3.5 hours so far.
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* Day two. Tuesday evening 6-8-10 - Just an hour or so to get the motor out. Just had to remove the Transmission bolts, the motor mounts and the drive shafts and pull.... Oh, Aaron suggested removing the fenders for easier access, so that took about an hour Then the Transmission bolts.... well, they are inaccessible, so that took another hour, but then we hooked up the chain and pulled it out... no... we didn't.... that would be too easy.... we found another bolt By then it was getting a little late, so we blocked up the motor in case the lift leaked pressure and lowered (which they all do) and we left it until next weekend. 6.5 hours so far. |
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*Day 3 Saturday 6-12-10 - Fresh from a few day break we were at it again. Saturday, bright and early (for this writer) call it 11:00, we started to get the CJ motor and Transmission on the ground. Surprisingly, the last bolt on the tranny came right out and the motor separated easily and came out with a slight lift and tug. All that work actually paid off! |
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The Transmission was next. The motor was an oil/water/mixed mess, but the TF 909 3-speed auto trans was in great shape and ready to go to the highest bidder. (or the first person with $200 cash ) |
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All the previous day's bolt pulling made for an easy drop and the transmission was soon out as well. |
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With the CJ cleared of it's guts, it was time to slide it to one side and bring in the Donor. Last rights were given and the Cherokee went up on the operating table.
5 more hours of unplugging and unbolting.... the Cherokee had not been touched since 1993, whereas the CJ had the transmission replace in the last 10 years, so the bolts on the Cherokee were a bit more snug..... but I think we got it all taken care of, and as it sits now, I think we are ready to yank the motor and transmission out on our next glorious day of work. (probably Monday) 8 hours of fun time today, since the Cherokee is actually a GRAND Cherokee. The grand has lots more wiring and such to take care of... I wonder if we'll ever get all that stuff hooked back up! 14.5 hours so far
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*Day 4 Monday 6-14-10 Another fairly short day, but with some complications OK, so who actually expected it to actually come right out today? We, of course, found something else we had to un plug and remove before the thing could come out.... The computer that controls the Transmission. First..... we had to find out where the dumb thing was. Found it under the driver side dash, way up on the Firewall. Bob turned upside down and tried to figure out how to remove it. After a while he had to go talk to some folks at the house so I thought I would have a go at it. Since it is a donor car, I ripped out a section of the dash, and bent a piece of metal blocking my way. I un plugged a bunch of other wires that were also in the way and finally had a good look at the thing and found the bolts to get it out. Unplugged the plug and fed the wire through the firewall. Just goes to show ya, that demolition and force beats trained, careful mechanic sometime.
NOW we were ready..... PULL!
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We kept the motor and transmission together for this extraction to save some time and possible knuckle damage. Again, since the Cherokee is headed to the scrap heap after this, we took a Sawzall to the front bumper for easy removal. And it slid right out.... really!
Here we see Bob giving the ol' "Shop Teacher Two-Thumbs-Up"
With the donor motor and Transmission out we could now switch the ratchets over to "Tighten"!!!!!!!!!!! it's install time.
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First thing I wanted to do was reattach the Position Sensor which was removed for wire tangle reasons.
Tightened the first bolt, and went to tighten the second bolt and the Socket fell off the ratchet... and guess where it landed? Right down the little 2"x3" hole in the transmission bell housing! Would it stay up high enough to be reached by a grabber or a magnetic wand? Noooooo, would it fall down enough to fall out the bottom? Nooooo. Would it get stuck in the middle and not be seen for a while without shaking and twisting the transmission? Yesssssss. We got it to a point where we could see it, but it was too big to pull out with the magnet or grabber from the bottom. A few more tries and....... the extension magnet wand thing broke off in side the bell housing! So, with two lost tools, we had to remove the transmission anyway. So much for time saving!
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With everything out of both Jeeps, we could start to get an idea of what we needed to get the old and new together. When fitting the old Transfer case on to the "new" Transmission, there was indeed a 3/4 space which need a Novak #153 clocking ring. The same ring is used for both the new AW4 and the old TF909 transmissions, so I was hopping the ring already was there.... oh well.
The Cherokees of those years were notorious for cracking the Exhaust manifolds, so after a quick check, and a little find, it was decided to replace the manifold too. Rings, manifolds.... it's only money! And we might as well replace all the seals, gaskets and fluids while were there, not to mention plugs, wires, caps and rotors. It will never be easier, and who knows how old and bad things are on the Cherokee.
So it's off to the store, and web for a few items, and we will be back at it again next Monday. Perhaps Aaron will find it in his heart (and schedule) to pop by and share some of his install expertise. Total actual work time, not counting head scratching and lost tool extraction.... about 2 hours. 16.5 hours so far
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*Day 5 Monday 6-21-10 only working on Mondays is making for a slow go, but it's getting there!
Aaron did actually stop by today, and his wisdom was imparted upon us. He pointed out little things to do, like swapping sensors and such from the old block to the new. He had a couple time saving tips on rear main seal replacement, and he got down and dirty and removed the wiring harness from the Cherokee.... I guess my old one isn't exactly the same :-/
But the highlight of his visit was the game of "Vice Grip". A test of grip strength. keep tightening the vice grips and pass them around until you can't close them any more.... Bob won the grand prize of..... nothing.
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I removed the donor shifter after determining that my fancy Lokar shifter would not fit on this new transmission. This shifter uses cables, and not direct linkage, so there will have to be a little modding to go in the CJ.
I thought the shifter would be too low, but it looks like it will be OK, and just for good measures I yanked out the entire Cherokee shifter plate and bracket, so I can bend it and modify it to fit the CJ and give me another 2-3" in height.
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Since the ol' Cherokee still had some wiring and such we needed, Aaron went to work to retrieve it... the easy way!!!!!!! Sawzall city. Although he was a bit concerned with it being an antique Sawzall that still needed a power cord 
With the harness and EFI computer out, I could put my old 258 motor on craigslist with a perfectly working and complete Fuel injection system on it... hopefully it will raise enough to pay for the donor jeep.
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Day five also had the new motor up on the Engine Stand for easier workability. Of course the torque converter had to come off first, and the flange, and some "long enough" bolts had to be found, but it got on there and we pulled off the oil pan and replaced the gasket. I don't think it really needed it, though. This new motor is in great shape. No sludge, no metal shavings, no dead rats. we did change the rear main seal while we were in there, and spent most of the time removing the old gasket.... hate that..... but it went back together quickly.
We flipped it over and did the Valve Cover Gasket and the Transmission filter and gasket as well. The tranny was also in great shape when we opened it up. Collector magnets in the bottom of the pan were clean and tidy. Looks like a great donor! With play time and chatting, and lunch, and a quick lawn mower oil change we still managed a good 4 hours. 20.5 hours so far
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*Day 6 Monday 6-22-10 Today was just me running up to Bobs place to do a quick Manifold swap and EFI computer removal. Bob was working but kindly let me use his shop and tools in his absence. I didn't take any pictures today, so I thought I would just add a photo of the CJ in happier times 
The exhaust manifold didn't show up Monday until I had already headed up to Conifer (figures) but I wanted to get it on to replace the always cracked Cherokee version. It looked like a simple 13 bolt remove and replace. But to get to the manifold you have to remove the electronic fuel injection air intake, and to remove that you have to remove the power steering pump and to do that you have to remove the serpentine belt.... so.... it took about an hour. Most of which was removing the remains of the old gasket. (did I mention I hate that?) It all went back together without a hitch, and then I removed the EFI computer from the CJ since the Cherokee one has to be used. (it needed the Washer fluid reservoir removed to get at it, but those things don't faze me anymore
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*Day 7 Saturday 6-26-10 The day was supposed to start about 10:30am, but Bob's son Kyle had a little confrontation with his Jeep hood while getting it out of the shop, and the hood won! So Bob and son were off to the Dr office to get a few stitches. So the day actually started about 1:00. First on the agenda was getting the Donor the heck outa Dodge. We loaded it on the lift and pushed the trailer under it, removed the tires and wheels for Konnie's Jeep, and lowered it to the trailer... simple and elegant, and useless..... the fenders on the trailer stick up too high and the lift hit the fenders before the Cherokee hit the trailer. But, we blocked up the Cherokee and then removed the blocks so all was eventually ready to go. Bob took the opportunity to load the Cherokee with lots of other junk he had lying around for too long, and so the beast was sent out to die. Bye Bye Donor. |
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Next chore was some minor frame work. The CJ frame had a couple little cracks where the previous owner added some rock sliders, but Bob got to grinding and welding and hammering and fixed it right up. He also suggested drilling holes in the bottom of the shock mounts so they could drain and not rust out the frame... a good idea, especially if you live in Boston!
Since the 4.0 block has one funky bolt hole for the motor mount, I hopped on the motorcycle during a brief stop in the rain and headed out to get a #12 fine thread bolt. It was no-go at the hardware store, but the local Napa actually had one!
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Before putting on the new clocking ring for the belly-up, we decided to change the seal on the 300 transfer case. Well, I decided to. Bob thought the old seal looked OK, but since the Adapter/clocking ring came with one I said let's just swap it out. Simple, huh? (you know what always follows when I say "Simple")....... The new seal got all messed up going in. So I hopped on my motorcycle for a quick ride to the auto parts store again (different one this time) for a new seal. We tried to remove the various covers to make seal installation easier, but they didn't want to come off either, so we just paid closer attention and got a big socket and tapped the new seal in.... it seated just fine! |
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OK. Clocking ring went on easily (it only goes one way, and there are 6 possible options.. guess how many trys we took to line it up 
Now it was time to put the Transmission and the Torque Converter back on. Here is a hint for all of you do it yourselfers out there.... Torque Converter into the transmission first! Harder to tighten the TC bolts, but much easier to align TC into the transmission than to try to align the transmission to the TC when mounted on the motor.
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With everything bolted together, it was time for the big drop in..... In goes the 4.0 and AW4! It slides right in place and everything is looking good. A few quick measurements and we have an idea what it will take to get the linkage and transmission mount to work right. The Grand Cherokee mount is very tall, and I don't have much room down there, so it was off to the auto parts store yet again for a low profile, regular Cherokee mount. It was now almost 8:00 and the parts store closed at 8:00 so off we went. And 3 minutes left before Subway closes, so we ran in there for a late dinner to go. The pan on this transmission is about an inch deeper than my old one, so unfortunately I will be losing about an inch of ground clearance with this upgrade We will have to shim up the belly plate.
Everything is read for Monday, lets see if we can get it all bolted down then........
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I used to have a 1983 CJ-7 with around 200+k miles on it. Now I have a 1993 Grand CJ with 132726 miles on it Not much stock left on the '83 now except most of the frame and some of the body 
So... a full day's work today... 1:00pm - 10:30 pm but with time out for head scratching and dinner, call it 8 hours! 28.5 hours so far!
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*Day 8 Monday 6-28-10 With Bob out running the Donor to the graveyard, I was on my own for a couple hours. But there was lots to do. First I tackled the motor mounts. Dropping the motor a bit more with the cherry picker I was able to line up one bolt. Then with the help of a long pointy thing, I got the other side to line up enough to get in a bolt. A bit of shaking and prying and such I got all 4 bolts in and the nuts on and was thinking it was officially IN! But.... there is always a "but". after closer inspection the whole motor/Tranny assembly was a bit catywhompus. I decided to leave that until Bob returned and I had some help. |
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So.... on to a tedious job of steel cutting. My old Skid plate was a full, 1/4" steel belly pan, but for some reason, the guy who made it added a 2" dropped down space for the tail pipe. Since the exhaust needs to be redone to work with this motor anyway, we could get rid of that drop down section. So, with grinder in hand I started cutting. Bob returned, and I had cut enough that we could hammer and bend the skid plate enough to break it off. Now, back to the tilted motor. But no mater how much twisting, and shaking, and jacking and pulling and prying was directed at that motor, it just didn't want to straighten up. So, with time running out for me (I had a birthday party to get to) I decided to leave it until next time. 2 hours alone, 2 with Bob. 32.5 hours so far! (30.5 billable) |
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*Day 9 Thursday 7-8-10 Since I missed last weekend due to the 4th of July holiday, I decided I better get my but up there and get something done. Bob was working, but I invaded his shop for some alone time with my Jeep.
First up was wrestling with the motor and tranny to try to get them straighten out. I hooked the cherry picker to the passenger side (the low side) and lifted..... didn't budge. Even with the motor mounts loosened. So I loosened everything possible. Poly bushings, brackets on the motor, brackets on the frame, then lifted more and beat the heck out of it with a hammer on the driver side and pried with a big pry bar on the passenger side. It moved a little, so I bolted her all down again. It's not perfect, but it's close.
When checking for flat underneath, I picked up where we left off last time, and bolted in the transfer case with the belly up clocking ring in place. Ready for Drive shafts to be sized.
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Looking from the front, the motor looked straight enough so I started putting the ol' CJ back to looking like a CJ. First was the passenger side fender and all it's accoutrements. The ARB air locker pump was on that fender so it needed to be hooked up again, as was the alarm horn and battery holder brackets. |
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Then on to the radiator and grill. I had to add the 2" body lift rubber under the grill by myself. the nut in the bottom of the grill is lose and floppy, so aligning it was gonna be a bear by myself. But I lifted it up and screwed in the upper part of the lift without the lower rubber and washer, so just the bolt was holding the top rubber, then I could drop the bolt through the hole in the frame and it was all lined up. I took out the bolt, put the lower rubber and washer on and slid the bold back up to the pre aligned hole and it screwed right in. Does any of that make sense? Anyway, I was proud of my self for how easily it went in.
Now..... Aligning the holes in the fenders took some time and strength, but it got done without stripping a single bolt. And lifting the heavy winch up there was easier than I thought too. Wow, it looks like it's coming together!
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Since the skid plate is off, we had to strap up the transmission to keep it all together. The strap was wrapped around the Transmission and then over the roll cage through the hole for the shifters. But since I needed to see about shifter placement I had to jack up the tranny with a floor jack and remove the strap.
That way I could try various locations for the shifters. The Grand Cherokee shifter uses cables, so I can pretty much put it wherever I please. But the 4 wheel drive Transfer case shifter has to go on the right, and remember it is 3" farther back than before. But I took out the old sheet metal covering the floor and sized up the options with the Cherokee shifter brackets.
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Since nothing is easy.... You may notice that the 4x shifter is on the left of the automatic Trans shifter in a Grand Cherokee. This won't work to well in a CJ with the 4x on the right. I like the mounting bracket and cheesy plastic shifter box so I think I'm going to just cut along the dotted line and then slide it over to the left enough to get the 4x shifter in there. I will just get another piece of sheet metal and cut the appropriate hole. Once I figure out how to get the transfer case to shift so I can see the full travel, I can figure out if I need to bend the shifter bar to make it all fit. |
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You can see that the shifter is back a bit, and right now I don't have any idea what gear it is in. If it's in 4 low, I'm golden. But if it's in 2 or 4hi, it will have to travel back another few inches to engage 4 low. Then it will really take some Shifter bar bending to get the full travel needed.
5 hours today, by myself. (7 total) , 37.5 hours so far! (30.5 billable)
CONTINUED...... Read "Part Two" Here: http://patrol2.com/v2/node/728
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Comments
Glenn,
Just one more thing at this time. I'm not sure if it's your excellent photographic skills, the lighting or the angle, but your photo's make Boston Bob look far younger than his sixty six (66) years..... :>)
Jerry & Laurie Kennedy
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Glenn,
Alas, the donor is dead. Long live the donor!
Do you see a target completion date for this project and if so, when might that be?
Best wishes,
Jerry Kennedy
Jerry & Laurie Kennedy
303-918-1716 - cell
Glenn,
On the one hand and especially when it comes to fixing a Jeep, nothing and I mean almost NOTHING ever goes as quickly as predicted. On the other hand, repairs to my Jeep I thought would take days have been fixed in a couple of hours.
Necessary repairs to your wonderful CJ are in progress. They will be completed. Your CJ will run again.
Still, you've presented a great documentation of what it takes to fix a blown motor. Please keep sharing the story!
Jerry Kennedy
303-918-1716 - cell
Jerry & Laurie Kennedy
303-918-1716 - cell
Glenn,
Great blog! Thanks for keeping us informed!
Jerry & Laurie Kennedy
303-918-1716 - cell
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I got food poisoning today. I don't know when I'll use it. -- Steven Wright
Glenn,
You are in good hands. Please indulge and follow the advice of Aaron and Boston Bob. Without question, they are in the process of saving you thousands of dollars.
Early last summer, B-Bob located on Craigslist Dana 44 front and rear axles, with 488 gearing and Detroit lockers. I DO NOT want this to become a discussion about lockers. With the always caring and friendly help of Boston Bob and Aaron, I purchased both axles for $1,300.00. With the help of Aaron, they were installed on my YJ for a total cost, including my help and Aaron's generously valuable time, along with his shop and lift, for a total slightly more than $3,000.00. This was $5,800.00 less than 4WD Parts in Federal Heights quoted me for the same work.
Aaron is a world class Jeep gearhead. He and his Evil Twin Boston Bob are sincere, caring and highly skilled veteran Jeep mechanics. While both of them are truly evil (thus Evil Twins), they are twin brothers of different mothers. I mean this in the very best way. Both are very friendly and always welcoming to anyone they meet. Improving the Jeep we own to better serve our ever increasing wheeling skills and needs is what they're all about.
Since installing great axles last summer and concerning some of the "more difficult trails" we've since run, Spring Creek, Chinaman Gulch, Eagle Rock, Red Elephant, Mill Creek Loop, Radical Hiil, Jenny's Creek, Red Cone, Middle Swan have been easily conquered. Last Labor Day, Hole in the Rock near Lake Powell was added to the list.
Remember folks, I broke a stock Dana 35 axle last Memorial Day in Moab.
Since installing the new axles last June, we've run dozens of incredibly fun late 2009 Fall trails and Winter 2010 snow runs. In Moab during MADNESS 2010, the wonderfully challenging and scenic Utah outback presented us with Elk Ridge, which Patrol 2 was proud to open. I was able to bust through a section of this very challenging route ONLY because of the axles and Detroit lockers. The next day, we ran difficult Hotel Rock just west of Blanding, Utah without any problem.
During Madness Part Two, we conquered Metal Masher, Flat Iron Mesa and the legendary Moab trifecta - Poison Spider, Golden Spike and Gold Bar Rim. My well installed axles allowed this.
You're in excellent hands, my good friend Glenn. We look forward to wheeling with you and Kionnie in the very near future.
Jerry and Laurie
303-918-1716 - cell
Jerry & Laurie Kennedy
303-918-1716 - cell
Aaron helped me swap out my 4 banger and 5 speed for straight 6, 4 liter with AW4 Auto trans! It works great - couldn't be happier. Wish i had a newer engine like yours, though. Mine is a '89...still running strong. Thinking of rebuilding it into a stroker motor.
i hope the new radiator you just got is for auto trans:)
Vic :)
"A faithful friend is a sturdy shelter; he who finds one finds a treasure.
A faithful friend is beyond price, no sum can balance his worth." Sirach 6:14-15
Glenn, it is a pleasure to be involved with such a great bunch of people doing the things we love! Some of us are into jeeping for the scenery, some the challenge, or the social aspects of jeeping. Some of us even like to wrench on the things for fun! Improving a jeep into the adventure capable device we desire can be a fun and rewarding experience. For those who lack the personal skills and tools to do these things there are always other people in the patrol willing and ready to share. Much of my personal knowledge of jeeps and mechanical skills were learned the hard way through pain, skinned knuckles, lack of money to have anyone else do it, general persistence, and the willingness to fail and try again. Not all my projects have been as rewarding as I hoped. But I have always felt like the knowledge gained was worth the pain! You too will have bumps and lumps from the endeavour you are setting out on and it will feel great the first time you head out on the highway knowing with great satisfaction who did the work. If it was easy there would be no satisfaction. Keep the posts coming! A.
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Aaron,
When it comes to doing necessary Jeep repairs and upgrades, it's awesome that Boston Bob is involved. He's one thoroughly kind and knowlegeable kind of guy.
However, he has a twin counterpart. OK. Let's be totally clear.
Bob is saving Glenn thousands of dollars. Bob, by his own admission is evil. Aaron, by his own admission, is Bob's evil twin.
So, it should be quite obvious to everyone.
Glenn and his new motor are in good hands....
Jerry & Laurie Kennedy
303-918-1716 - cell
Glenn,
As Aaron most aptly shared, if Jeeping was easy, it would be so because everyone is wildly rich.
Sadly, I was unable to choose my parents. As such, we play the cards we're dealt and really appreciate the kindness fate affords along the way.
We're really looking forward to seeing and wheeling with your super souped up CJ in the near future. Let us know the run you're going to test it on. We'll be there!
Jerry & Laurie Kennedy
303-918-1716 - cell